tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post6523832165030357898..comments2023-10-31T15:54:05.715+03:00Comments on Naeem's Blog: Toppling the Tyrant of our TimesNaeem:http://www.blogger.com/profile/15397380149160556040noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-48887052532381924702008-01-25T00:49:00.000+03:002008-01-25T00:49:00.000+03:00Sorry I just got back to this old blog didn't get ...Sorry I just got back to this old blog didn't get a chance to visit your blog since my comment. I mistyped the lafd of the ayat its translation is :<BR/>IF ANYONE PARTS WITH THE MASSENGER AFTER GUIDANCE HAS BECOME CLEAR TO HIM, AND FOLLOWS A PATH OTHER THAN THE WAY OF THE BELIEVERS, WE WILL ABONDON HIM TO WHAT HE HAS ADOPTED, AND BURN HIM IN HELL. AND WHAT A MISERABLE DESTINATION!(QUR'AN 4:115)<BR/>WA SALLAMU ALAYKUMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-59371022006741200922008-01-06T10:17:00.000+03:002008-01-06T10:17:00.000+03:00AA- Abukar,Thank you for your thoughts. Really ap...AA- Abukar,<BR/><BR/>Thank you for your thoughts. Really appreciate them.<BR/><BR/>"the qur'an does not accept any mind-set but that of tawhid. It attacks your gods including the absolutism of reason, humanism,feminism, relativism, materilism, western liberalism etc with all sorts of tacktics. if you surrender to it by letting go of all your gods then the Qur'an unveils its wonderous beauty and sublime knowledge. when that happens everything becomes clear everything,"<BR/><BR/>Well said my friend!<BR/><BR/>"as Allah swt said "Natawallahum maa tawallaa" we will leave them under tha charge of that which they sought refuge with."<BR/><BR/>Which ayah is this?Naeem:https://www.blogger.com/profile/15397380149160556040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-12558152611961489472008-01-05T00:31:00.000+03:002008-01-05T00:31:00.000+03:00AA Naeem. I would never try to make you look like...AA Naeem. I would never try to make you look like a fool...not in public anyway. What I meant by:<BR/><BR/>"My point is that we try to not ONLY rationalize everything but we try to do it based on the societal values in which we live and we simply cannot do that unless we live in an Islamic society (notice I didn't say Muslim)."<BR/><BR/>is that I agree with you that we tend to rationalize everything as human beings. We Muslims that live in, say, America, base our rationalizations in the context in which we live, i.e. a very liberal, "democratic" mindset mostly. So when we read for example about "beat them lightly" we tend to get a "sour stomach" as it were. But if we put it in the context that Allah is Wise and Muhammad is our best example (saw) then we can build a better foundation for understanding what is meant by the verse.<BR/><BR/>~SahraAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-75918068831538248182008-01-03T22:03:00.000+03:002008-01-03T22:03:00.000+03:00Dear Naeem Thank you for your post. I lived half o...Dear Naeem Thank you for your post. I lived half of my life in a traditional Islamic Society. my father was a shafi'i Faqih and a Qadiri sufi. although my father and all our neighbors believed in the Qur'an in its entirety they where the furthest people from wife beaters. Anybody who was even rumored to do that would lose the respect of everybody. for them the qur'an was interpreted by the prophet (saw). The prophet never beat up his wives and Allah swt informed us that he was"upon a magnificent chararter" and in him we have "a beautiful model". those who take the qur'an as their ethos would look to the prophet for Guidance. nonetheless the verses of the qur'an are haqq. The way I look at it is that Allah gave the man authority and with authority there has to be enforcement tools. if you look at the most "liberal" nations the police carry batons or even guns to enforce the law. however all islamic punishment laws are intended first and foremost for deterrence rather than implementation. keep in mind that the qur'an does not give the man blank check to beat up his wife on a whim. it is allowed only for a clear fahishah. The law also keeps the goverment out of the home and from suspending the Husband's God-given authority. the qur'an at the same time encourages the relatives of the espauses to mediate between them. they are likely to have the best interests of both of them at heart and less likely than the government to motivated by out-of-bounds feminist agenda. <BR/>On the question of handmaids I understand it to be that it served to curtail war-mongering because in war men will see benefits in victory i.e heroism and spoils, in death he is celebrated. enter the enslavement of women and children war seems very un-apealing Allah knows best.<BR/>On the question of reasons vs. revelation I completely agree with you. In islam you have to cultivate your NUR AL YAQIN and keep your reasoning within bounds then your heart will be expanded and you will, Insha Allah understand more than you ever thought possible. I found this to be the case in my own suluk. the qur'an does not accept any mind-set but that of tawhid. It attacks your gods including the absolutism of reason, humanism,feminism, relativism, materilism, western liberalism etc with all sorts of tacktics. if you surrender to it by letting go of all your gods then the Qur'an unveils its wonderous beauty and sublime knowledge. when that happens everything becomes clear everything, yourself and all creation become aligned with tawhid. if you preservere the light of certainty will illumine you BASIRAH and you will see the sublime reality of Allah's word "Alladi Ahsana kula shayin khalaqahu"(He who has made everything he created beautiful). otherwise you will be left under the charge of that you which sought refuge with wether it be faminism, materialism, absolute reason or whatever as Allah swt said "Natawallahum maa tawallaa" we will leave them under tha charge of that which they sought refuge with. this verse of the qur'an perfectly illustrates the test of reason and sensibilities: God is not ashamed to make an example of a mosquito or of an even smaller thing. As for those who believe, they know it is the truth from their Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, they say, "What does God mean by this example?" He misguides many by it and guides many by it. But He only misguides the deviators. (Qur'an, 2:26)<BR/>P.s. my current neighborhood in suburbun minneapolis where I spent the other half of my life has way more incidences of espousal abuse and divorce than my old traditional Islamic neighborhood. Salamun alaykum wa RahmaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-26308335279196188022008-01-03T09:42:00.000+03:002008-01-03T09:42:00.000+03:00I think iman, taqwa, and tawwakul are of primary i...I think iman, taqwa, and tawwakul are of primary importance but Ilm and Aql are also absolutely necessary (man, my spell checker hates when I talk about Islam). But yeah, reason as idol= a soulless, lost society.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-14414878491256350562008-01-02T13:48:00.001+03:002008-01-02T13:48:00.001+03:00AA- Sahra,"My point is that we try to not ONLY rat...AA- Sahra,<BR/><BR/>"My point is that we try to not ONLY rationalize everything but we try to do it based on the societal values in which we live and we simply cannot do that unless we live in an Islamic society (notice I didn't say Muslim)."<BR/><BR/>Not sure what you're getting at here...can you further clarify?Naeem:https://www.blogger.com/profile/15397380149160556040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-33110583439453793442008-01-02T13:48:00.000+03:002008-01-02T13:48:00.000+03:00AA- Anon,"'beating the disobedient wife' is someth...AA- Anon,<BR/><BR/>"'beating the disobedient wife' is something well explained by hadith and quranic commentary..its not supposed to be a big huge beating and it has conditions."<BR/><BR/>Yes, I know and I just can't swallow the countless explanations that I've encountered. I'm sincerely glad that you have found the proofs to be acceptable, but personally speaking, I continue to struggle with that verse.<BR/><BR/>"basically that point boils down to this...the husband is kiiinda sorta in a position like parents. he has married(employed?) you..."<BR/><BR/>oh man, you're headin' for a hurtin' if you try to convince your wife with that logic. :-)Naeem:https://www.blogger.com/profile/15397380149160556040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-87211467870304669292008-01-02T13:44:00.000+03:002008-01-02T13:44:00.000+03:00AA- Sahra,"I personally have never read anything i...AA- Sahra,<BR/><BR/>"I personally have never read anything in Quran or Hadith that I could not come to reconcile once having taken it to a learned person to decipher it's meaning and context."<BR/><BR/>I'm glad that you've found it so straightforward. I can't say the same for me. So, I've been forced to suspend my reason and bow my intellect in humility to Allah and simply accept the texts in question on faith.<BR/><BR/>"In essence, I believe there is nothing contradictory in the Quran or Sunnah, there is only limited understanding."<BR/><BR/>Basically you summed up my post in one sentence. Gee Sahra, thanks for making me look like a fool! :-PNaeem:https://www.blogger.com/profile/15397380149160556040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-1569672127890370472008-01-02T12:03:00.000+03:002008-01-02T12:03:00.000+03:00Salaam NaeemThis post made me smile. But to your s...Salaam Naeem<BR/><BR/>This post made me smile. <BR/><BR/>But to your second anonymous: for a woman who has lived a life in which she alone is responsible for her whole well-being, as you put it, if you want her to accept a new caretaker, someone to do what she herself is capable of, forcing her into a position of submission isn't the best way.Amyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15177578450022894894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-90686914978549546202008-01-02T06:49:00.000+03:002008-01-02T06:49:00.000+03:00'beating the disobedient wife' is something well e...'beating the disobedient wife' is something well explained by hadith and quranic commentary..its not supposed to be a big huge beating and it has conditions.<BR/><BR/>basically that point boils down to this...the husband is kiiinda sorta in a position like parents. he has married(employed?) you...he is responsible for your whole well being. So because he is your total caretaker, he does have certain rights over. This however does not diminish your rights over him, as his wife.<BR/><BR/>the man's test i think is to be just and kind and the woman's test is to be loving and supporting him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-47993640502372025492007-12-31T21:50:00.000+03:002007-12-31T21:50:00.000+03:00AA Naeem. Well said. We just had a conference on...AA Naeem. Well said. We just had a conference on marriage for couples and those seeking to get married. Some sisters couldn't get over the whole "the man's the head of the household" thing. So one of the speakers, Sr. Zakia Amin, told the audience that you can't live an islamic life based on american principles. She told the audience that if you want to live Islam, you gotta READ what ISLAM says, not what Dr. Phil says or Oprah, for example. My point is that we try to not ONLY rationalize everything but we try to do it based on the societal values in which we live and we simply cannot do that unless we live in an Islamic society (notice I didn't say Muslim).<BR/><BR/>I personally have never read anything in Quran or Hadith that I could not come to reconcile once having taken it to a learned person to decipher it's meaning and context. In essence, I believe there is nothing contradictory in the Quran or Sunnah, there is only limited understanding.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the post, I look forward to the next one.<BR/><BR/>~SahraAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com