tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post5933327330076030869..comments2023-10-31T15:54:05.715+03:00Comments on Naeem's Blog: Failure of the Schooling System (Part 1 of 2)Naeem:http://www.blogger.com/profile/15397380149160556040noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-8702973017992830252011-07-11T09:55:17.251+03:002011-07-11T09:55:17.251+03:00AA- Azra,
So basically, you're saying that ho...AA- Azra,<br /><br />So basically, you're saying that homeschooling is the way to go. :-)Naeem:https://www.blogger.com/profile/15397380149160556040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-63697881048154938972011-07-10T17:06:03.675+03:002011-07-10T17:06:03.675+03:00Assalaamualaikum. In my experience Brother Naeem, ...Assalaamualaikum. In my experience Brother Naeem, as someone who has taught Grades 1 to 5 for a period of time, I have to say that the situation is quite complex. <br /><br />Firstly, I agree with you whole heartedly, 100% that schools that failed to educate children on what real life is about. However, in my time in the classroom - and I saw this particularly with Grade 1's, many parents have also failed in their parental duties towards their children. The result is that in my case specifically, I was stuck with 40 children who don't even know what it means to have *basic* manners i.e. saying please and thank you, respecting their elders, greeting one another, and basic etiquette when using the toilet etc. etc. Modern day parents have found it apt to expect teachers to teach their young children how to have the very BASIC of morals and values... things that parents themselves should be teaching their kids, not expecting a stranger to do their parental jobs for them.<br /><br />That said, I also have to agree that I find school "curriculums" to be utter nonsense... a total waste of time. I've never needed nor utilised 80% of what I had learned at school. And we were still the lucky ones because some of our teachers also agreed to your sentiments and they formed a committee where they introduced free "Enrichment Classes" after school. Although I never had the chance to attend, students were allowed to attend classes where knowledge transcended the structured approached visited during class-time in adherence to the school's "curriculum". In these classes, knowledge wasn't "taught", it was applied and most of the content incorporated Philosophy, Religion etc. designed to inspire a greater consciousness and allowing us to see the bigger picture.<br /><br />That said, I have to say that our Madressa's here in SA had similar problems... often encouraging parrot-fashion learning without fully creating a God-consciousness within their learners. Instead, most of the time, learners were discriminated against based on the amount of wealth their parents contributed to the institution and the colour of their skin. So in essence, whether it was intentional or not, they taught us and encouraged discrimination and prejudice. Sentiments like we should all "hate Jews" were not uncommon. As learners, we've benefited in that we can read and recite the Quran in Arabic, but we weren't taught how to be better human beings... and as such, I can say that 80% of what I had learned at Madressa has been inconsequential to me and my life. <br /><br />I've had to learn about life and humanity and what it means to be a good Muslim and person outside of these institutions.Azhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11274624534284532361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-57539349397454873752011-07-08T18:25:16.074+03:002011-07-08T18:25:16.074+03:00hi ,
With my 2 homeschooled ones, i mixed both ty...hi ,<br /><br />With my 2 homeschooled ones, i mixed both types. I did have regular testing and subjects, followed a curricul that was standard ,but also explored a bit, like for instance we would do the regular curriculam in math and explore a bit on our own and let them experiment and then do the tests, sometimes i did the tests twice, once after the curriculam and once after the experimentation :-) but i made sure they took the regular tests, to me it was a matter of making sure i was not misleading them from the mainstream.<br />It made for longer schedules but we never stuck to the 9month school days, we did all days in a yr and staggered it to end in sync with the school year.<br />Trust me it is a big effort on the parents part and a lot of sacrifice. that's why i was a bit dissapointed when i didn't see a difference. <br />In truth my 4th one was a bit delayed and we had some tense moments in college, he cam thru fine and went into med school but i always worried that it was my homeschooling that made it hard, there is no way to tell could be he would have fared worse inthe system. <br />The biggest plus is to see them learn at their pace and find out their distinct interests and the biggest minus is time management. i felt somehow the school system gets them to manage time better ( by force or otherwise)<br /><br />again please keep in mind every situation is diff. ours was this way yours may be diff. in fact to tell thruthfully my older 2 are much closer to us ( maybe because they got less time form us eh) ..and are a bit more marginally only successful...againt hey all choose uniformly to NOt homeschool their kids, rather one of the spouses work parttime and sort of balace the education out after school.. which if i had the sense many eons ago i would have done too :-) <br />sorry for the long comment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-36442510741953522982011-07-07T04:35:29.560+03:002011-07-07T04:35:29.560+03:00Anon,
Wow, what an extremely telling experience w...Anon,<br /><br />Wow, what an extremely telling experience with homeschooling two and schooling two. I have always felt that the role of a strong family can outweigh the negatives of society (generally speaking; of course there are always exceptions) and your case furthers my belief.<br /><br />Out of curiosity, when you homeschooled, did you adhere to a 'standard' curriculum with all the various subjects and regular testing or did you go the path of the 'unschooling' approach (less subjects/tests, more life-lessons)?<br /><br />I'm very interested to learn some more details about your experiences.Naeem:https://www.blogger.com/profile/15397380149160556040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-24658382981106953092011-07-06T20:26:50.780+03:002011-07-06T20:26:50.780+03:00My experience,
homescholled my 3 and 4th kid and ...My experience, <br />homescholled my 3 and 4th kid and my first 2 went thru the system.. end result no difference...<br />they all rebelled ,they all setteled down by mid-20s and they all are loving caring an religious good human beings.<br /><br />they all would give their lives and fortune up for us and each other and they all raise lovely kids.. they all value family first adn foremost <br />the first 2 had an easier time in college than the homeschooled ones..<br /><br />looking back i wish i had the sense to send the younger 2 to school and save myself a lot of angst. homeschooling never increased any bond - in our case..<br /><br />diff stokes for diff folks, maybe you have a diff experience, for me it was just a waste of time and energy wheni could have used the available schooling resources and had the same end product.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-86811952885706117792011-07-06T16:33:03.577+03:002011-07-06T16:33:03.577+03:00The same people you mentioned that the system you ...The same people you mentioned that the system you so despise produced wrote the books that is being used for home-schools and the same parents produced by the same system are home schooling their kids. If you have the discipline, the knowledge and proper guidance you are welcome to home school your kids. But if you are 99% of today's parents do not gamble your kids future. It is their future and not yours. Whether you like it or not, life is a huge FORD factory added few breaks here and there .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-82036546191860365222011-06-25T05:21:57.212+03:002011-06-25T05:21:57.212+03:00AA-
@DL, took my kids out around 2 years ago. Tha...AA-<br /><br />@DL, took my kids out around 2 years ago. That was the easy part. :-)<br /><br />I've since been working with them on memorizing Quran and the three R's. The beautiful thing about homeschooling is that you choose every subject they learn and how they learn it. It also builds the parent-child bond. Obviously much more as well, but these are two quick benefits that I've noticed.<br /><br />@CC, are you currently homeschooling your kids? Also, what kind of experience did you have at the Islamic school?<br /><br />@SS, I too believe that business is the key in the modern world. It offers the greater amount of freedom. <br /><br />@Sr Kal, :-) I actually wouldn't consider schooling as brainwashing as much as it simply is a deficient model. And this faulty model for education exists everywhere, not just KSA or USA.Naeem:https://www.blogger.com/profile/15397380149160556040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-10250737965536682312011-06-24T05:05:47.716+03:002011-06-24T05:05:47.716+03:00you mean to say that the brainwashing done at KSA ...you mean to say that the brainwashing done at KSA isn't any less than the brainwashing done at USA?<br /><br />I refuse to believe it!Sr. Kalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-64643297270401690822011-06-23T23:55:10.334+03:002011-06-23T23:55:10.334+03:00Slms.
I've told many people this, that school...Slms.<br /><br />I've told many people this, that schools mess us up. It's a waste. The only thing good that came from school was learning how to adapt in social life- and that also was not centred on Islamic values, with intermingling involved<br /><br />It's better that children don't become lawyers and accountants(we do need doctors however) because most people in these profeesons(that I know anyway) hate work.<br />Rather learn business, it's more practical and it's sunnah.<br />Also maybe farming, or learning how to fight and join the army. Things that don't require slavery trainingSShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10189796881493711059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-74239872602634077522011-06-23T20:01:04.638+03:002011-06-23T20:01:04.638+03:00Assalaamu alaikum :)
*watching for more posts on ...Assalaamu alaikum :)<br /><br />*watching for more posts on this* <br /><br />I'd love to see what you choose to do with your kids....this is a topic near and dear to my heart. After working at an Islamic school and experiencing various other schools myself...I couldn't really imagine sending my kids to either at this point.Christiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06550683582619788665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-30561535735090756832011-06-23T08:44:59.678+03:002011-06-23T08:44:59.678+03:00Hamza Yusuf has this good talk, from quite a while...Hamza Yusuf has this good talk, from quite a while ago, called "Lambs to the slaughter" - which addressed this topic.<br /><br />It does seem like education, in its modern sense, is designed to create workers.<br /><br />So, if I may ask, have you withdrawn your kids from the 'conventional' schooling system?<br /><br />What are you doing now to focus them on education rather than 'training'?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com