tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post4310543136320078617..comments2023-10-31T15:54:05.715+03:00Comments on Naeem's Blog: Kosova: another US Satellite StateNaeem:http://www.blogger.com/profile/15397380149160556040noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-40198013845179644052008-04-20T01:02:00.000+03:002008-04-20T01:02:00.000+03:00Good informative postGood informative postAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09423239765000831563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-87454435117123894682008-03-04T19:35:00.000+03:002008-03-04T19:35:00.000+03:00Wa'Alaykum as-Salam wa Rahmatullahe wa Barakatuhu(...Wa'Alaykum as-Salam wa Rahmatullahe wa Barakatuhu<BR/><BR/>(I am sorry, I forgot to return the Salaam.)<BR/><BR/>-Manas ShaikhAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-61657991916812334482008-03-04T19:34:00.000+03:002008-03-04T19:34:00.000+03:00"I pray that it will NOT mimic the fate of all the..."I pray that it will NOT mimic the fate of all the other hopeless colonial territories under US 'control'."<BR/><BR/>Amen.<BR/><BR/>But that is very general. Suppose you are the prime minister of Kosova. Now. What would you do for your country? :) <BR/><BR/>-Manas ShaikhAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-6675209459976783122008-03-04T14:35:00.000+03:002008-03-04T14:35:00.000+03:00Woops!I pray that it will NOT mimic the fate of al...Woops!<BR/><BR/>I pray that it will NOT mimic the fate of all the other hopeless colonial territories under US 'control'.Naeem:https://www.blogger.com/profile/15397380149160556040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-59180605104009370132008-03-04T14:34:00.000+03:002008-03-04T14:34:00.000+03:00AA- Manas,"I will argue that the moment a governme...AA- Manas,<BR/><BR/>"I will argue that the moment a government oppresses a people- it loses the right to govern them."<BR/><BR/>Is that a hard and fast rule bro? Does that mean that every group that is oppressed is justified in seeking independence? Whatever happened to mediation?<BR/><BR/>Anyways, you are correct in that its done. As for the future, I pray that it will mimic that fate of all other hopeless colonial territories.Naeem:https://www.blogger.com/profile/15397380149160556040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-23639302200061896192008-03-03T15:35:00.000+03:002008-03-03T15:35:00.000+03:00Br. Naeem, I would like to take exception in this....Br. Naeem, I would like to take exception in this. I do agree with some of what you say, but I will argue that the moment a government oppresses a people- it loses the right to govern them.<BR/><BR/>Also, it is already done. Kosova is already free.<BR/><BR/>I would love to hear what you have to say about <A HREF="http://www.ijtema.net" REL="nofollow">the future</A>. <BR/><BR/>-Manas ShaikhAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-49391403178359332092008-02-29T20:35:00.000+03:002008-02-29T20:35:00.000+03:00"The new found wealth gleaned from oil and natural..."The new found wealth gleaned from oil and natural gas will undoubtedly be used to fund a military needed to thwart the Serbian threat" <BR/><BR/>I dont know how much of a threat they actually pose right now seeing as how serbs haven't been relevant to any of the goings-on in Kosovo since '99, if anything the serbs within kosovo need to be protected from the albanians. I'd also like to add that, as a serb my viewpoint is obviously subjective (as are the majority of these posts), but I will say that there's definitely something fishy going on and the albanians need to be on their toes, but I'm sure their druglord PM will keep them all knocked up on goofballs. They'll be as peaceful as hindu cows when they're eventually screwed over and won't be able to raise much of a fussAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-40823608183277481252008-02-29T18:54:00.000+03:002008-02-29T18:54:00.000+03:00"Wow, you wanna propose a libertarian anarchist st..."Wow, you wanna propose a libertarian anarchist state instead?"<BR/><BR/>Wow, how in the world did you come to such a whack conclusion from my comments?!Naeem:https://www.blogger.com/profile/15397380149160556040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-38890564158450681352008-02-29T17:33:00.000+03:002008-02-29T17:33:00.000+03:00actually, i heard something about ties between Ker...actually, i heard something about ties between Kerry and Albania during the last election, so something like these Kosovo independance shenanigans are not too surprising to me. looks like they'll be funding Obama instead of KerryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-10295456738260506642008-02-29T10:26:00.000+03:002008-02-29T10:26:00.000+03:00"Kosova may consider itself free, but it will be a..."Kosova may consider itself free, but it will be as free as Pakistan – technically free, but a slave in every other way imaginable."<BR/><BR/>Wow, you wanna propose a libertarian anarchist state instead?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-65890383807927969282008-02-29T00:58:00.000+03:002008-02-29T00:58:00.000+03:00the US is essentially Kosovo's pimp and will benef...the US is essentially Kosovo's pimp and will benefit from all their drug ties...I'm sure they'll be able to get great deals on marijauna and heroine and it'll most likely be used to back the upcoming presidenial camaign illegally for the Democrats, or Republicans although I dont see McCain as a pothead ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-66662539269501688502008-02-28T23:25:00.000+03:002008-02-28T23:25:00.000+03:00AA- Amad,I’m glad you brought up the partition of ...AA- Amad,<BR/><BR/>I’m glad you brought up the partition of India/Pakistan as I was thinking of that as well. I’m sure you are aware of arguments (then and now) against the creation of Pakistan, so no need to rehash those arguments. <BR/><BR/>I would simply like to highlight one pertinent issue that I believe is extremely relevant to the Kosova independence – the unimaginable resources wasted in maintaining a military needed to defend against a neighboring archenemy.<BR/><BR/>Looking back, we can see how the two superpowers (US, USSR) manipulated the Pakistan partition to create a constant source of revenue for their respective military industries. <BR/><BR/>The US has done the same in the Gulf by supplying arms to the Muslim countries (Saudi, UAE, Qatar, Kuwait) in order to protect them from their neighboring enemies (Iraq in the 90’s, Iran in the present).<BR/><BR/>I can see a similar turn of events taking place in Kosova. The new found wealth gleaned from oil and natural gas will undoubtedly be used to fund a military needed to thwart the Serbian threat. That is but one of the ways the US will benefit from this independence. <BR/><BR/>Kosova may consider itself free, but it will be as free as Pakistan – technically free, but a slave in every other way imaginable.Naeem:https://www.blogger.com/profile/15397380149160556040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-64304789567013025402008-02-28T16:10:00.000+03:002008-02-28T16:10:00.000+03:00They couldn't travel you say? They had no status?...They couldn't travel you say? They had no status? I dont think this "independence" will change that much (atleast not for the long haul). They'll still be needing Visas to travel everywhere (including now serbia) and they'll be a bitch to get. Plus, they've been governing themselves since '99 with the help of NATO and UN, Serba hasn't really played any role whatsoever in their affairs. <BR/><BR/>I feel bad for those people b/c they're gonna be left outside in the cold after the US gets what it wants out of this deal. The US has a satellite state in the mideast/central asia (Iraq) and now it has one in eastern europe(serbia/kosovo). I dont think this issue should be put to rest just yet, nor should it be blindly accepted b/c international law has been violated as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-45759997928277480302008-02-28T11:03:00.000+03:002008-02-28T11:03:00.000+03:00"I really don’t want to see even a single life los..."I really don’t want to see even a single life lost for an independence that truly could have waited."<BR/><BR/>Really, it could have waited??? More than 50 % unemployment, a ruined economy, bitter memories from the devastating Serbian terrorism and you want us to live with them and under their authority again?! Never, never! No Foreign Direct Investment was being made, we couldn't travel to many parts of the world, we had no status, nothing!!! We could not wait, we desperately needed independence, we declared it, we are happy about it and we are working on the prosperity of our country and we don't care what others think about this. Full stop. End of the debate. Chess mate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-24410009758629084982008-02-28T06:58:00.000+03:002008-02-28T06:58:00.000+03:00"Perhaps there are more sinister reasons but I can..."Perhaps there are more sinister reasons but I can't imagine how any semblance of independence could be better than being under Serbia. I just can't."<BR/><BR/>I of course meant "I can't imagine how any semblance of independence could NOT be better than being under Serbia"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-11606152550866722272008-02-28T06:55:00.000+03:002008-02-28T06:55:00.000+03:00salam Br. Naeem.There is a time and place for ever...salam Br. Naeem.<BR/><BR/>There is a time and place for everything. Good intentioned naseeha can be perceived completely negatively if both time and place are not chosen correctly.<BR/><BR/>I don't know how many Pakistanis might have felt at the time of partition, if some guy from Kosova questioned the intentions of the British for giving Pakistan independence? Regardless of how similar or dissimilar the situations are, sometimes emotions need to be appreciated before checking facts. There is always a time for the latter.<BR/><BR/>So, for me, I'll celebrate and be happy for Kosovars for now. Perhaps there are more sinister reasons but I can't imagine how any semblance of independence could be better than being under Serbia. I just can't. <BR/><BR/>I could be wrong. For Kosovars's sake, I hope I am not inshallah.<BR/><BR/>wsalam<BR/><BR/>P.S. I don't doubt your good intentions for a second in all of this. Just a difference of opinion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-5408701959035879992008-02-28T06:15:00.000+03:002008-02-28T06:15:00.000+03:00AA- Amad,Thanks for your clarification, but allow ...AA- Amad,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your clarification, but allow me to disagree with your stance. Blindly supporting brothers who may be making a bad decision is not brotherhood – in fact, it may be contrary to that very concept. That is where sincere advice (nasiha) comes into play.<BR/><BR/>For what its worth, we should give them the proper advice as sincere brothers in faith who have the best interests of the Kosovars in mind.Naeem:https://www.blogger.com/profile/15397380149160556040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-4371615434967082952008-02-28T06:14:00.000+03:002008-02-28T06:14:00.000+03:00Canuck, Kosovar, and others,The purpose of this po...Canuck, Kosovar, and others,<BR/><BR/>The purpose of this post was not to figure out who deserves what, who is right/wrong, and so on. I was exploring the nefarious role that the West is playing in this historic event.<BR/><BR/>In the end, I do agree that a call to freedom is solely the prerogative of the people in question. My only apprehension was with the political context in which Kosova made its declaration. I think we all should have learned the lesson from America’s ‘humanitarian’ support of the Afghan Mujahideen/Freedom fighters (who later were called terrorists…hmm…sounds like a reverse of the KLA situation, no?) in the 80’s against the Russian Red machine – that being a pawn in this great war between two giants does not bode well for one’s future. <BR/><BR/>Remember how when American supposedly freed Afghanistan, they left a legacy of warlords and drugdealers spiraling the country into perpetual warfare (Don’t get me wrong, Russia had no right in Afghanistan, but the haphazard, thoughtless process by which the US fomented the Mujahideen insurgency laid the groundwork for a broken society).<BR/><BR/>I really don’t want to see even a single life lost for an independence that truly could have waited.Naeem:https://www.blogger.com/profile/15397380149160556040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-17948938180592341582008-02-27T04:37:00.000+03:002008-02-27T04:37:00.000+03:00salam Br. NaeemI don't think its naivety that was ...salam Br. Naeem<BR/>I don't think its naivety that was driving the post. Its brotherhood.<BR/><BR/>So, honestly, if you find out that one of your brothers was cleared of some charge, or was happy for some other reason; I think in general you would share his happiness, at least at that moment. Perhaps you have reservations about the brother, or how he was cleared, but I think you may reserve that for another time and join him in his joy for the moment.<BR/><BR/>I think if we can extend that courtesy to our Kosovan brothers and sisters who celebrated their independence, to share in their happiness; I find nothing wrong in that. Even if it is naive, sometimes its ok to be naive and celebrate. There is always time to introspect and investigate later. <BR/><BR/>So, the "later" has come and I am glad you are doing it :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-78810769308635481752008-02-26T21:21:00.000+03:002008-02-26T21:21:00.000+03:00Screw it all, I say let Kosovo become united with ...Screw it all, I say let Kosovo become united with Albania (hold a referendum on that one, I bet most Kosovars would reject that idea), and in exchange Bosnia could give its serbian state independence and they could join Serbia if they wished (again, highly doubt serbs within that state would want to become a part of serbia). I believe the serb state within Bosnia is called Banja LukaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-69012943416136950412008-02-26T20:43:00.000+03:002008-02-26T20:43:00.000+03:00Slavoj Zizek on Chomsky's stance on Kosova: To put...Slavoj Zizek on Chomsky's stance on Kosova:<BR/><BR/><B> To put it another way: Chomsky's own position on Kosovo, on the Yugoslav war, shows some of his limitations, because of a lack of a proper historical context. With all his facts, he got the picture wrong. As far as I can judge, Chomsky bought a certain narrative — that we shouldn't put all the blame on Milosevic, that all parties were more or less to blame, and the West supported or incited this explosion because of its own geopolitical goals. All are not the same. I'm not saying that the Serbs are guilty. I just repeat my old point that Yugoslavia was not over with the secession of Slovenia. It was over the moment Milosevic took over Serbia. This triggered a totally different dynamic. It is also not true that the disintegration of Yugoslavia was supported by the West. On the contrary, the West exerted enormous pressure, at least until 1991, for ethnic groups to remain in Yugoslavia. I saw [former Secretary of State] James Baker on Yugoslav TV supporting the Yugoslav army's attempts to prevent Slovenia's secession.<BR/><BR/>The ultimate paradox for me is that because he lacks a theoretical framework, Chomsky even gets the facts wrong sometimes. </B><BR/><BR/>You can find it at http://bad.eserver.org/issues/2002/59/zizek.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-75897842597730501862008-02-26T19:24:00.000+03:002008-02-26T19:24:00.000+03:00"As many Iraqis attest to, better to live under th..."As many Iraqis attest to, better to live under the ruthless hands of Saddam than the freedom of America."<BR/><BR/>I think your example, no matter whether it reflects the reality in the ground or not, does not apply to the case of Kosova. Kosova is a European country, it doesn't have sectarian violence and was under the regime of the chauvinist Milosevic. Better to live under the freedom of America than the Christian Orthodox Fascism of Russia, Serbia and their ink. At the end of the day, this is our will, and, thanks, but no, we don't need you to give us lectures on international politics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-84172877714886704182008-02-26T15:10:00.000+03:002008-02-26T15:10:00.000+03:00"is it a Serbian state? Ask a Historian" well, t..."is it a Serbian state? Ask a Historian" well, that's one Historian's viewpoint, and although it's true that it was 1 of 8 units of the federal system, this was done to give Serbia more pull in Yugoslavia b/c Kosovo would always be pressured to vote whatever way Milosevic wanted...that doesn't make it right, but that's the only reason it was given that much power. Same with Vojvodina, another Serb province bordering Hungary. <BR/><BR/>And to fear that the Kosovars are being manipulated is right on the money, the US interest in that region will wane as soon as they pull out of Iraq and are no longer preoccupied with Iran, and this is a conflict of interests b/c the US is antagonizing some pretty powerful allies in Russia and China, whilst creating a division within the EU ranks with nations like Spain and Greece opposing the move. I dont think this "independence" should be blindly accepted by anyone without a grain of salt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-79114364691914051172008-02-26T12:13:00.000+03:002008-02-26T12:13:00.000+03:00<A HREF="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/26/kosovo.serbia" REL="nofollow"> </A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8268156244556916801.post-73372025607094504772008-02-26T12:12:00.000+03:002008-02-26T12:12:00.000+03:00Is Kosovo Serbia? We ask a historian :)http://www....Is Kosovo Serbia? We ask a historian :)<BR/>http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/26/kosovo.serbiaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com